Made in Canada Avro Arrow vs Trial & Error

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Avro Arrow over Niagara Falls going to Buffalo

This article has all to do with the demise of Canada’s Avro Arrow and yet, it has nothing to do with it. Proudly “Made In Canada” that’s the real STORY.

The old saying is, learn from your mistakes, a trial and error thingy. Now of course I’m referring to the demise of Canada’s Avro Arrow Interceptor. But there have been many Canadian Company casualties throughout the years. That first sentence, in short, means, if you don’t try you will never succeed. Continue reading

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Was it Foreign Manipulation?

daves photoThe cancellation of Canada’s Avro Arrow CF-105 Interceptor program came as a shock to everybody, “EVERYBODY, BUT ONE.” So the WHY question has been asked for 60 years and JFK name always comes up in the same asked sentence. This CF-105 Interceptor was the fastest plane in its day, easily doing Mach 2 and predicted to reach Mach 3 and yet, it was still canceled. Some believe through Foreign or Political Interference and some just say Canada Prime Minister just had a bad hair day and took it out on 15,000 laid-off workers. The loudspeakers on the assembly line rang out, take the rest of the day off boys, and take your personals with you, just in case you don’t come back. “Which they didn’t” Did the American President John F Kennedy have anything to do with canceling the Avro Arrow program? Most people say a big “YES”

“One historian said, you might be surprised by the extent to which political events in this country were shaped by the charismatic U.S. leader JFK.”

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These “die-hard” Avro Arrow treasure hunters like “John Burzynski”  just wouldn’t let it go, almost 60 years after the demise of Canada’s Avro Arrow they are still looking, still searching Lake Ontario for something.


authors photoThese hunters are searching for anything of the Avro Arrow. They’re looking off Toronto Ontario harbor in Lake Ontario; they’re searching off St. Lawrence, Prince Edward County.

These people will go anywhere rumored to have Avro Arrow Airplane parts stashed, thrown out, or dumped in the water.

As we know, when Prime Minister Diefenbaker wanted the Avro project gone. He was heard saying, nobody wanted to buy it before, so, “Nobody gets any part of it now.” Nowhere did I read he said that …  but I’m sure he must have thought it.

Size of the Avro Arrow

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But the Government did try their darndest to do precisely that. Dispose of everything related to Canada’s first and last famed Jet Interceptor built in Canada

(Hunting the four corners of the earth — MAYBE?) BUT THEY DO SAY ONE COMPLETE Avro Arrow Interceptor got away from the smelter’s pot?

Rumors, you have to lov-um

But with today’s high technology, sonar’s and specialized equipment to map ocean floors, under 50 feet of ground, that, anything is possible nowadays to find something. This new equipment can see what no man has seen before or for at least for a very long time. They might even have a chance of finding something, anything of the fated Avro project


RAISE THE ARROW EXPEDITIONAt the time of this posting, this was the latest picture from the “OEX RECOVERY GROUP INC,” which is the primary group looking for the Avro Arrow, Sponsored by the likes of Canadian Aviation and Space Museum Ottawa and amongst other interested parties. The recovered flying replica of the Avro Arrow from Lake Ontario can be seen at the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, Canada.

OEX RECOVERY GROUP is scouring the depths of the great lakes for the famed Avro Arrow. On the group’s website, they show even more findings and insight into the canceled project., The models are flying replicas and can be seen at the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, Canada.

But it’s a lot of water.

As these exciting stories go, when the hammer came down on Black Friday, “October 14, 1959,” the cancellation day of the CF-105 Jet Fighter, and everybody sent home. Some of the “lucky” unemployed workers were called back to remove, discard, destroy anything related to the Avro story.

They ripped, and they tore the planes apart. They run over a perfectly workable jet fighter with forklifts—heavy equipment smashing these large planes into smaller pieces just to be, melted down for scrap metal.

Our prime minister wanted nothing left. Even the molds, tooling, blueprints — gone.

Anything that went to scrap yards or to the landfill was guarded by security. They in fact made sure that everything was disposed of as per government wishes, and nobody was allowed any souvenirs of Canada’s last “Built-in Canada” Jet Fighter.

Paperwork, Blueprints. GONE

The rumor has it, some of these planes on the assembly line were almost complete without there engines installed.

Workers strapped booster rockets on their backs and shot these frames into the air towards the open water, never to be reclaimed by Lake Ontario again, until now.

We all know that some reminisce of the Arrow still exists, Some parts pop up on e-bay, like the seats out of the plane,  some other items you see advertised for sale are from Avro.

We still know there out there, someplace.

So are these Bounty Hunters for Treasures or Historians looking for the famed Avro Arrow plane parts? I believe they are historians looking for Canada’s lost past.

Having said all that, these bounty hunters with enough money and electronics will eventually find something, anything, but I ask myself, for “WHAT REASON NOW”?

Museum pieces, I guess, may be a reminder that history should not repeat itself.

Our previous Prime Minister John Diefenbaker  was serious


Did I say this aircraft Canada built in the Late 1950s was capable of doing Mach 2+?  No other plane in the world could reach that speed. Putting this in perspective, this was only five years after the Great War; Armed Forces around the world were still using propeller (prop) aircraft.

Some countries were still digging out, trying to put their economies back to where it was before the war years.

The story by Chris Bateman is a few years old, but have recently heard that these treasure hunters by the “OEX RECOVERY GROUP INC” “have not given up.” The latest is, these people are even looking in more unspoken and unsuspected places.

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Like our ex-prime minister, this group, maybe other history buffs like “Arrowheads,” are committed to finding some remanence of the project. I believe Canada’s future was robbed, and even though that period in time is gone, we should always guard against outside influences today.

Canada’s safety, security, our future is at stake.     Eh


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Size of the Avro Arrow

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Their are many articles on Canada’s history and where Canada turned right when Canada should have turned left and the story of the Avro Arrow CF-105 Interceptor was one of those times.

Canada’s very own state of the art Avro Arrow CF-105 Supersonic Interceptor was the pride of all Canadian’s

There’s no shortage of books and material on the subject of the Canadian built Avro Arrow Fighter Jet Interceptor. But you would be hard-pressed to find any information on this engineering feet south of the border.

But this post is about the demise, the cancellation of the Avro Arrow program and why did it happen?

It was homegrown, born, built, and manufactured right here on Canadian soil. It was the pride of all Canadians citizens and the military elites.

The sudden cancelation of the Avro Arrow Interceptor in 1959 was and still is a big mystery then and today. Most articles on this “state of the art” Jet Fighter is fascinating reading and with many different authors perspective and conspiracies.

The demise of the Avro Arrow and this is my theory.

“What happened on Canada’s Black Friday?”

Just in case know body knows what this Canadian blogger is talking about, The CF-105 Interceptor was built in Canada to ward off the threat of a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union in the early 60s. It did the speed of Mach 2 and rumor has it, that with the new engines, it could reach Mach 3. After four where completed and airworthy, the project was suddenly, canceled by Canada’s lustiest leaders. But the question is always — why.

The demise of the Avro Arrow is still a mystery, why.

So now I’m reading the latest article with still no clear answer, why our former Prime Minister John Diefenbaker decided to lay off 15,000 of his countryman and— thousands more Canadians that were indirectly affected by his sudden decision. But all writers and historians agree on one major thing, and all wondered −− WHY?

Did our Prime Minister wake up in a bad mood, did he not get his breakfast on time. No BOOM-BOOM that night. What made him make such a drastic move that would affect so many people in his own country?

To know the answer, we have to think the way he thought, and the pressure he was under at the time. Through this series of three, hopefully, I will share my thinking on the demise of the Avro Arrow.

The Canadian people voted and trusted the Progressive Conservative party back then. The mainstream thinking and still today that, the elected politician, officials would have Canadians as their number one priority. Keeping Canadians and all of Canada in their best interest.

The sudden demise of the Avro Arrow is still a mystery today and has affected Canada’s growth in the aeronautics industry then and even up to today.

History might say that was not one of Canadian Prime Ministers Diefenbaker’s better moves.

Avro Arrow Untold StoryWhen Prime Minister John Diefenbaker finally decided to shut down the program, he kept his decision well hidden from everybody, and even his closest aides didn’t know. It was a top-secret to everybody until he announced in Parliament. Surprised by some and a disappointment by others.

Keeping this decision hidden from everybody does show a human nature side of him, he knew the consequences would be significant. Not to his wildest dreams, thinking it would affect Canadians 60 years later and up until today.

Conspiracy theorist believes the demise of the Avro Arrow Interceptor program that there was — something different going on.

So was this spontaneous thinking or was as theorist would believe he was strong-armed into canceling this state of the art airplane.


As of today, I decided to “lay off 15,000”, I mean cancel the Avro Arrow Program. And laying off all our faithful workers in our aviation industry effective as of, NOW, as we speak, Disbanded all making of the Avro Arrow program, “we want it … GONE!”

Our fearless Government at the time could not have given this a long-term THOUGHT?

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The teletypes couldn’t print the news fast enough. In the factories at lightning speed, they got the news. The management was instructed by a higher-up to read this message out loud to the workers, so on October 14, 1959, “Black Friday,” it was said, effective immediately, send your workers home. Shut her down boys, take the rest of the day off, and don’t forget to take all your personals with you — just in case you don’t come back, “Which they didn’t.”

So, that day was labeled Black Friday by the unemployed Avro workers, Canada’s Aviation Industry, as we knew it was gone. And still today we have no aviation industry we can say is our own and that Canada could be proud of with the saying, Made in Canada, Eh.

But going back to Canada’s state of the art Avro Arrow CF-105, What made our Prime Minister do such a thing?

 Did this have anything to do with it?

The US under-handedly leaking to the press that they would not buy any of Canada’s “State of the art Interceptors” — could that have sealed the fate of the Avro Arrow CF-105 program. “The Domino Effect.”

At the time, publicly, it was well known that the Kennedy administration didn’t get along with, “As they put it, boring” Canadian Prime Minister,” but that couldn’t be a deciding factor or, did it have something to do with it? …  Eh

  • Did the US President John F Kennedy meddle in Canada’s affairs and elections and HAPPILY cause the cancelation of the Arrow program because it wasn’t  US made?

At the time, CF- 105 was better than anything in the United States or that anybody flew in the air.

The demise of Canada’s Avro Arrow, “could it have been caused by Political Interference?” — Na, that doesn’t happen, Eh.

Eventually, the fallout from the canceling of the Avro took its toile on the Diefenbaker’s Conservative Government.

If this is true, I will remove Kennedy from my favorite US Presidents list, and it’s, getting pretty short.

*** (Note) At the end of the day, with all remnants of Canada’s Jets Fighter gone like they never existed, Canada still had commitments to fill with Nato and the newly committed “NORAD.”  So, we still had to purchase much-needed jet fighters for the task of warding off the “Enemy.”

So, where do you think the new additions to Canada’s Air Forces where bought?

“Outside Canada — USA” Eh

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